EPISODE 2: LIES

Tired of conflicting skincare advice from celebrities, influencers, and social media? Wondering if you really need to wash your face in the morning, if retinol thins your skin, or whether oily skin even needs moisturizer? This episode exposes the biggest skincare myths and lies so you can stop wasting time and money on routines that don’t work.

We break down the truth about morning cleansing, retinol, acids, vitamin C, moisturizers, pimple patches, SPF in makeup, at-home devices, and exfoliating tools. Learn what actually repairs your skin, what causes damage, and how to build a routine that’s effective, safe, and tailored to your skin type.

If you’re a skinthusiast, professional, or just someone tired of misinformation, this episode delivers clear, evidence-based guidance without the fluff. Say goodbye to guessing and follow a routine that actually works.

Hosted by experienced skincare professionals we cut through the noise and provide actionable advice on everything from nighttime repair and acid compatibility to proper hydration and sunscreen coverage. You’ll leave with the confidence to avoid making pore decisions.

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Okay, we're back, you guys. Are you ready? Hey, skin thusiasts. Hello all. We're so excited to chat with you a little bit and share some of our thoughts on things we hear all the time. And we figured maybe we you all need a little clarification.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Yes. So like today we have a whole list, like we've talked about. And so today we're going to address all of the lies. The lies that you see, you hear, that like all the celebrities are telling you, or all these skin not even skin fluencers, excuse me, influencers are telling you. They're false. And so today we're gonna have a lot of double negatives, which means that these things are not positive, that we're gonna correct them. Okay. So yeah, today's episode title is The Lies, Lies, Lies or Lies Lies, just straight up lies. So today, first one. This is a big one for me because I feel like this is what actually sparked this whole podcast conversation for today. Was I had a week where I had a few new people where almost like six or seven of them were like not washing their face in the morning, and they're like, Oh, I'm supposed to cleanse my face in the morning? Like, real question mark cringe, right? So cringy. Let me just break it down for you, okay? Like when you're sleeping, like, yes, you are in your bed, you aren't out in the environment, you're not around toxins, like, sure, you're not that dirty. But let me tell you, you are filthy still when you wake up in the morning, you drool, you sweat, you have oils from your hair that are now on your pillowcase. If you have an animal like mine who loves to like sit on your actual pillows, you have dog hair who sleeps with us, like your face is dirty. Like, you need to wash it off. And if you have a retinal that you're using at nighttime, you also need to wash that off. Just like you wash your teeth morning and night. Why not your face? And also, we'll go into this too. Putting water on your face is not washing your face. It needs to be an actual cleanse.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

I get this a lot. And then people ask me why they're clogged, their pores are getting larger, things like that are happening, and they don't understand that this is causing more of a buildup and that it is getting in the way of their products that they put on during the day. Like you don't really want to be putting, even if you're just rinsing and then putting SPF, which hopefully you are, that SPF is now sealing in even more layers, and your skin is gonna have a harder time naturally sloughing. Yeah, you're like or shedding those dead skin cells like it's supposed to be. And so you're making it worse. And over time, this is going to cause other issues like buildup of dead skin cells where you're flaky or clogging or irritation because now your underneath layers are not balancing out because they're covered by dead skin cells.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Right. Like you said, why am I getting more blackheads? Why are my pores looking bigger? It's because you're not washing your face in the morning. I know someone was like, Selma Hayek said that she doesn't wash her face, but also Selma Hayek was probably giving these beautiful jeans a lot of different types of jeans that are gorgeous. And her skin somehow, you know what? She's one of the lucky ones. Just like your husband, your boyfriend, your whatever, the men that like barely put anything on their face and their skin is great. They're the lucky ones. But honestly, you and I, Gabby, we are not. And anyone who is acne, anyone who wants to be anti-aging and taking care of themselves, you were not one of the lucky ones either. I'm sorry to tell you.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

I always tell my clients, because we specialize in correction and have a lot of many, many, many acne patients. That's our focus. And they always come at me with, my friend just used a bar of soap or my boyfriend just used a bar of soap. It's so annoying. Why can't I do that? I said, because we have different genes and you're different. But just imagine you are caring for your skin now and they are not, and you are gonna look so much better than them in 10 to 20 years.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Well, like I even say that like they probably have something else though wrong with them. Like we can't have it all. And they're gonna they probably have ugly feet or something. Like they just have something else that like they just have that you don't have.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

And they're gonna develop issues later. So they're gonna have way worse problems in the future that are harder to correct than just washing your face and doing a little bit of balancing.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

It's so hard to get onto a routine, like when you've never had one for 50 plus years. Honestly, then like I remember when I had acne when I was younger, they're like, honestly, you're kind of lucky. And I do look at it too, that like having acne in like my teens and then in my 20s, like it trained me to understand what I needed to do and take care of my skin, or else honestly, I never would have. My mom was not a person who got facials or like she used Irish Bar Spring Soap, honestly, in her face.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Same my mom felt facials were ridiculous or like outlandish or selfish, and it just wasn't part of their generation. So I wasn't raised that way. But it's so funny that I tell people if you can't see a professional right now or you don't know what to do, or you don't know what serums to use, the cleansing is the most important part to start with. Cleansing, double cleansing at night, triple cleansing, even if you're not sure, making sure your cleansers do multiple different things so that you're gently cleansing and getting the dirt and oil off, and then you're poor cleansing or breaking down the surface dead skin and then your poor cleansing. It just depends. Like, focus on the cleansing and just be a nice light moisturizer and an SPF during the day, and you will be off to a really good start.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

I honestly can't tell you just the difference of someone starting to wash their face in the morning, which seems like such a simple, like stupid thing, how that changed their face.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Getting in the groove of a routine is really important, whether it's just cleansing an SPF in the day or whatever it is for you. I get this question all the time where people are like, How long do I need to do this routine? How long do I need to do my skincare? It's like asking me, how long do I have to brush my teeth for? Like, you need to do it twice a day every day. That's not gonna stop at 40 or 50. Like, that's a continuous thing. And it's the same thing with your skincare, no matter what you're doing. Just like cleansing in the morning, you need to be cleansing morning and night, not just at night. It's the same idea. Like you need to be doing your routine morning and night forever. So get in the group of it and keep it going because that's what's gonna benefit you.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

The whole point you come to see somebody to help you with their skin is it should be to like get you on a routine to fix what's ever going on, and then to know that like this fixed you, so that I will stay on it. You would think so. It makes no sense when people are like, okay, cool, I'm done. Like, wait, you're just I feel abandoned, honestly. Like, I invest so much time and effort and energy, and then you're like, peace.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Like, what? It breaks our heart.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

It makes our heart, honestly. I feel like my ego's a little crushed. Like, my like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

I feel like we just like broke up a little bit. Yeah, it's a full-blown relationship. So once you're in here, I tell people once you get into an appointment with me, it's for life. We're SD besties, like, this is it, we're in this together.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

I feel like your skin is my skin, like you don't own it anymore. Like, I have like 50-50 ownership now, basically. I do the same thing. Okay, so insummation, no AM cleanse. That is a complete and utter lie, people. We wash our face morning and night, just like you brush your teeth morning and night, wash your fucking face. That's it. It's so easy. Okay, Gabby, what's the next thing that we want to talk about? The lies that we keep on hearing.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Devices at home. Which ones do I need? I hear this all the time, and I have to tell you, I don't really use devices at home, and I don't think you should either. There's only one that if you will use it on a regular basis, will benefit you, which I would say is LED. But aside from that, there's really no device that you should be using at home that's gonna benefit you. Spend the money and have a professional do advanced treatments to get you actual results.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

I do agree. Like, I think that an at-home LED, like a mask, honestly, I do notice a difference when people get one and they do it consistently like five times a week for 10 minutes a day. Their skin really does look different. You don't know exactly what it is, but there's like a radiance to it that you're like, huh, okay, they're doing something. But like at-home micro-needling people, no, at-home derma rolling, at-home derma planing, which I'll get into in a whole thing because I'm not a derma planer, but no, those pink little blades are fucking you up, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

New face is my nightmare. I wish I could just destroy that company. I get so many issues from it. People have spent a lot of money on it and then they do it, and most of my rosacea clients flare, acne clients are flaring. I just don't see it doing anything beneficial, and I feel like it causes more harm than good, in my opinion. And people are, they're not trained in sanitation sterilization like we are, and there's just so many things that they don't understand about the skin and the way they do it, they do it too much. They don't use the right product, they don't have glide, they're causing wrinkles, they're just doing all these other things that I feel like is not worth a little lift for an hour or two.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

I think the hard part is that like microcurrent does work, you have to be consistent with it. So I think you do have to do it every day or whatever with that new face. So I I do, I'm not a person that uses it, honestly. I try, I really tried, but I just can't.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

But it's like the gym. And I just feel like for the issues I've seen happen with using it because people are not aware of what they're doing fully. I don't think it's worth it. Because if you stop, it falls. Like it's not permanent.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

Totally. It feels good at a facial, but yeah, and it's not our facial. But yeah, it's other people. And then I know people who are listening are probably gonna be like, but what about glashying? And again, you guys, there's different types of facials out there. And Gabby and I are not that type of facialist. And one of the biggest things that we need to come up with, we need to like rebrand a word for ourselves because we're not just aestheticians, we're not facialists. It's like skin experts, skin maintenance.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

It's like a tune-up, it's a progressive treatment. I'm clinical.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Like I look at myself, I get you're coming here to like asking.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Yeah, but what's a word for that though? I literally ask clients every day. I say, What would you call this? Because I know all of you tell people you're going to the doctor because it's easier than saying a facial, because this is not a facial, like that. All my clients they say, I'm going to get my facial. And everyone's like, Oh, good for you. That's so nice. Are you gonna take a nap? Are you gonna relax? And they're like, Absolutely not. What kind of facial do you go to? We get shit done. Like, which I'm so flattered by, but I wish I had a different term because I feel like they're all just lying.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Every time like a husband is like, Oh, go enjoy your facial, they're like, Fuck you. Yeah, you don't know what I'm doing, clearly. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Not relaxing, yeah. No, we're getting stuff changed. We're not the experts on gouaching. Lymphatic facials, other things are so beneficial in their own way.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

I do think that like if done incorrectly, I've seen clients that have they've been breaking out because like the lymph is draining and then it's bringing all the toxins to the surface. And and then what? That's been something I've actually seen a few new people with. But again, I'm not knocking gouaching. I think it's great, it's just not what we do.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

I think it's a nice part of self-care. I think for lymphatic drainage, I think if you're very puffy, especially the under eye, and you're doing it right in the morning and helping to drain that fluid so you don't feel so puffy, that's great. But definitely look up some YouTube videos and do it right and don't be pulling on your skin, but it's also not essential. It's more of a self-care feel-good, deep puff thing than a longevity gonna help you in the long-term thing. But like when we talk about devices, like the brush. This one. Oh my god, throw that brush out. I can't because I just had a new client come in and she had texture on her skin and she was showing me her routine. Her routine was awesome. Like it was just a throwback to the 90s, early 2000s. It was so good. I think I'm gonna do a post. I was like, wow, girl, can I take a picture of this? Uh-huh. The pons, the witch hazel, all the things, but the brush, the clarisonic brush, was what was going on here and what stood out to me because her main concern was texture. And when I realized and I touched her and I looked at what was going on, it was not texture on the skin, it was texture from yeast overgrowth, fungal, which is probably also exacerbated by the use of this brush. And so do not use a brush on your face. You need to use chemical exfoliants like acids and enzymes and proper cleansing methods that are pH balancing. And that's what you should be using. You have no need for a brush. This was a good marketing thing that they did in the early 2000s, and it worked great because we didn't know what to do with our faces. Throw them out.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

They market it, like, oh, you how are you cleaning? How could you possibly be cleaning your face with just your hands? No way. Like a mature lady who came in, she has been using a Clarisonic, and she was so and she's she's on Tazarak. She's a little, you know, older, but she's oily and she's acne-prone still, which is crazy. But she like, how do I clean my face? I'm like, no, no, no, no. This is not like you're red and irritated and rashy. Like, you're not cleaning your face, you're creating abrasions and like irritation to your skin. So then she comes back a month later, she's like, okay, I'm just gonna tell you, I did use it one time because I just had a lot of sunscreen on. I just didn't feel like I was clean. I was like, okay, honestly, I'm proud of you. Just one time out of 30 days, like, that's okay, I understand. But you know, we double cleanse at nighttime. So use a gel cleanser to remove that like waterproof sunscreen. And then afterwards, we're gonna use your hydrating cleanse or whatever. So it's like you're sweeping and then mopping, right? That's what the double cleanse is gonna be. But then again, she came in this month and she it's the same thing. One time she used it, and she's like, but I just don't understand how my skin can get clean. So then now she's using like a washcloth to wipe her face, which honestly, you guys, I don't like that either. I know a washcloth is gentle. You can rinse off your face with water and your hands. Like it's it's really not that complicated. And like you said, I think the Clarisonic like just marketed the sh they did such a good job in the 90s and early 2000s. And they didn't even tell people how to clean. Like, look at what happened with your client. The fungal, the yeast overgrowth is because how often was she washing that brush? Did she even know how to properly clean it? Probably never been cleansed because you're like, oh, I'm putting a cleanser on it. Like I can understand that thought process, right?

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Totally. And I feel like this is where if you feel like you're not clean enough, you need to clean again. And that's okay. Just clean again. Sometimes I need to clean three times. Like it's not bad. Like it just that's how it works, especially when you have layers of stuff on your face, or if you're a more oily person or whatever you're trying to achieve. Just cleanse again. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

It's fine. So insulation. At home devices are amazing for you. Complete lie. Uh, waste of money, waste of time. Go to a professional once a month, get the real shit happening in clinic. But we do think LED machines are incredible and they are beneficial, especially like after we've done extractions and helping with healing, helping even with like hair restoration. So don't get suckered. I get so many texts and DMs, like, what do you think about this? What are your thoughts on this? And it's just like, people are selling you so much stuff. Let's try to be a little smarter and stop being so susceptible to the I don't know, all the noise. Okay, so next one, this is gonna be like a four-parter, but we are going to talk a little bit about vitamin C and all the lies that we hear about vitamin C. And that to begin with, vitamin C only in the daytime. I can't tell you how many clients I have heard that are like, I can use my vitamin C at night. Like, it's like earth shattering. Like, wait, hold up, what? This just opened up a whole new world. If you're not using it at night, you're not understanding what vitamin C is doing. So let's explain what vitamin C does, right? It's a powerful antioxidant. Is it the most powerful and potent? No, I think it just has the best PR agent, but it does a lot of amazing things for your skin, which is to build type one collagen. It helps to protect your skin amongst the three radical damage that happens during the day. But then at nighttime, why it's so important to use it at night is it helps to repair your skin. So when we're sleeping, that is partially why sleep is so important for our bodies, is because that's the time for our body to repair and like consolidates our memories for short term to long term. It's when like our body goes basically like just recovering from the day, and and we need that. And so in that time, that vitamin C is also helping to repair your skin from the damage that it experienced from that day.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

I think it's actually, is it 12 to 3 a.m. or 12 to 4? There's like a specific time frame that your body actually regenerates and heals and repairs. And so that's why when you are not good at going to bed at a good time or you're sleeping, you're going to sleep really late in the night and changing your hours around. That's why some people look a little bit more, they start to age more. They are not getting that repair because they're not fully getting that time to for their cells to repair. And that's why vitamin C is even more important for people to be using at night, especially when you have off schedules and things like that, because you want to be supporting that repair and reducing that inflammation to get the most out of your REM sleep.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Totally. I I'll never forget my primary when I was working night shift at UCLA. He was like, You know that there's a lower life expectancy for night nurses. And I was like, Oh, cool. Brilliant way to hear up on that one. Thank you. Um, but yeah, like decreasing the inflammation, helping to repair the body, it's so important. So, you guys, number one lie vitamin C can only be used in the morning and like absolutely not. You definitely need to be used morning and night. Okay, in order for you to really see the benefits of it. Okay, what's the next vitamin C counter spin-off?

SPEAKER_01 17:21

So the next one I'm gonna go into, which goes with what we just talked about, is that vitamin C can't be mixed with retinol. And now I feel like when these types of this can't be mixed with this thing is really what they're saying, like in the same bottle. And I can kind of concur with certain ones, but for the most part, it gets misconstrued and everyone starts thinking, oh, you can't use them in the same routine. That's absolutely not true. They support each other so beautifully and make sure that the other works better. So you should definitely be using your vitamin C at night, especially when you're using retinol.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Those like Instagram charts where it's like using, but not this, and like this one can't be mixed with that one. Like that's what sparked this part of this section of the podcast. Because I'm just like, I fucking you can't. It's not black and white like that. You absolutely need to use your retinol with a vitamin C.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Vitamin C is so essential for building collagen. And with retinol, you're stimulating collagen, so you need to be using them together to get the best benefit.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Vitamin C is a brightening agent. This one really annoys me because I feel like this is why so many people come in not using vitamin C, because people just tout it for brightening, and that is one of the farthest reasons why I use it. Like that is a great reason, but that is not the main focus of why we use vitamin C in a routine.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

I don't have vitamin C to be like a brightener. That's what your acid is doing, to be honest with you. That's where I live, like that's what the glycolic is doing. That's what your lactic is doing in your routine. The vitamin C is not your brightener. Again, this PR agent who has like done so many puff pieces on vitamin C, like, she needs a rebranding because honestly, it's ridiculous. It's a great tool, but it's not a brightening agent. It helps with wound healing. So when I was working in the burn unit, whenever someone would come in within the first 24, 48 hours, they were on an ascorbic acid drip. Like, so they were constantly getting high dose, potent vitamin C into their veins to help fight against the free radicals, the damage that was about to happen because of the crazy trauma their skin and their body just went under from the burn.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

And that's what I feel like the brightening is is that it is helping to reduce inflammation and repair damage. And the damage is what's causing a lot of the pigmentation that you're seeing, or it's dead skin and things like that. So it's helping to repair, which is why it helps pigment. But that is like a far reason as to why you're actually using it. The repair is the highlight.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Yeah, I completely agree.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

So, you guys, vitamin C morning and night to repair your skin, not to brighten it. And it can absolutely be used and should be used with retinol.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

And also with aha boss, with acids.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Oh, yeah. Honestly, I always start a routine with vitamin C cleansing and a moisturizer and SPF first. That's where you go. That's to suppress and calm and reduce redness and heal and do all the things before you go into those added amazing ingredients to enhance what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

I think that we need to like have a whole other subsection of vitamin C because there's so many different formulations of vitamin C also that like that. I think there we will do that. We will do that. Okay, fine, fine. We'll put that we'll do that. We'll put notes for that. Stay tuned. Okay. We won't get off track. Sorry, my ADT's going crazy. Okay, so we got we got we got vitamin C.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Perfect. This will lead us right into the next one. Let's talk about retinol. Love it. Well, I would say the first one is retinol can't be mixed with acids. Okay. Yeah. These can't be mixed with are just so much fun, and they really bring us a lot of business.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Seriously. So they absolutely can. The most important thing when you're choosing a product, and that is what I think as aestheticians and skin experts, which again we're just gonna pen word is still pending for what we are. Formulation is almost everything when it comes to a product. Like there is no magical one thing fits all like in a bottle. But retinols when they are stabilized and formulated properly, can absolutely be mixed with an acid, and I've seen amazing results. And I've seen it done beautifully.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Oh my god, absolutely. Where they support each other to get a way better effect. So just make sure that you're looking into the products that you're using or asking a professional and they will put you on products that are gonna do the things you want and can be mixed together safely.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

If your skin is getting so rashy and irritating, because I remember when I was younger and I was put on retinol, retin A, actually, there was no instructions on how to use it. So it was just like my face felt like crap, honestly. Like I was just burning and irritated and like my acne wasn't even improving, to be honest with you. And I can't tell you how many people also on tritinoin that their skin is getting worse, not in a purging way, but just because the tretinoin is formulated in such an incorrect way that it's causing your acne to get worse. So the retinol, like when the formulation using the right home care with it to support it, it is amazing. Gabby actually is the one that introduced me to this the vitamin A book. And I learned so much about like the vitamin A receptors of how it basically works with the cellular turnover and how it even helps with like antioxidant repair. And protection of the skin. It's like actually encouraged to be used in the daytime, also.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Yes, that's another thing I love to do with clients.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Retinol can only be used at night if it's photosensitive.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Yes, and it absolutely does not. I feel like the reason that comes is because it is definitely regulating your cell turnover. So you don't have this extra thick layer of dead cells protecting you, quote unquote. They are not protecting you, but sure, maybe you feel like that is causing you to not get so much sun exposure, although that is a whole nother case. But it is not making you photosensitive, it actually helps to support your cells and build up more receptor sites to help protect your DNA from sun damage. So, like surfers and people that are in the sun all day long, I will have them use a light dose of vitamin A morning and night to extra protect them against what's happening under the sun. And so it's very important to be utilizing it in the way that is proper for the ingredient you're using.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Yeah. So what you were saying about the surfers, it's like a perfect example because I have a lot of surfer clients that are like, oh, I didn't want to use it because I thought I'd get burnt. So let's go into the science behind vitamin A. Vitamin A, retino, and retinols, that retinols are a derivative of the vitamin A. When we are in the daytime, we have our vitamin C on, which helping with protecting from the free radical damage that happens from the sun, okay, from other things as well. Then you have your sunscreen on as well. That is also, again, helping to absorb those UVA, UVB rays. So that way we don't have that oxidative stress and cause aging or burning. But the thing that's so crazy is that vitamin A is our third line of defense to help against our skin having any trauma from the sun.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

And I also love to share with all my clients because I think they just don't understand how crucial vitamin A is to our cells. You have to start low and build up. And your receptor sites, you add more. You build more receptor sites. That's why you can go stronger and stronger, and it's not going to harm you, but you don't want to go strong right away because you can't absorb it all. But our cells are void of cancer when there are more vitamin A receptor sites. So that is something very important. I think a huge selling point for why you should be using a vitamin A product is that it really does help your cells defend themselves from cancer.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Absolutely. I love that. It's so important. Just like they even did like studies showing that people that get lasers and like frequent acid peels, like glycolics and whatever, have lesser amounts of like precancerous lesions on their skin than those that do not.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

So it's definitely not photosensitized. Definitely not.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

So yes, the lie is that retinol makes you photos sensitive to the sun. Absolutely complete lie. And just like this one, retinol thins your skin. Oh my god, that's oh my god, who what but I feel like that idiot did that. That was that long. I was like, I still hear it. Oh my god, absolutely. It doesn't thin your skin. You absolutely not. It does the opposite. Oh my god, there's these like the images that literally show you cross sections of the skin that stain and it shows the epidermis actually getting thicker on an older skin. It was like a 75-year-old woman that they like did this study on. Her epidermis, which she in the beginning, it was really wavy, it looked kind of thin. You saw it like straightening it out. It was beautiful. Restructurizing.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

That's exactly what it does. So when you're peeling from the retinol, if that's happening, that's not thinning your skin out. That's actually causing the cellular turnover.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

That's regulating your cell turnover. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

You kind of want that. Kind of not kind of. You know, you do want that, yeah. Because that is what's promoting that cellular turnover. And then that's what makes me always put people on glycolics too, because you train the body every 28 days to make new skin cells in that cycle, while the retinol is making sure you are sloughing off on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

A good example of this, and this is how I frame it to clients so they understand a little bit better. It's like when you see someone in their 80s or 90s and they look really gray. It's not because they're 80 or 90, it's because their cell turnover is so slow and they are not assisting it. So they have these build-up, these layers of built-up dead cells that are not reflective. When you get closer to the healthy cells, healthy cells are very reflective of light. So that gives you that healthy glow. And then you can also see your blood flow better. And that gives you that pink rosy cheeks, like that healthy glow, that healthy look about you. It has nothing to do with age, it has to do with cell turnover. And that's why we love retinol.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

So the big ass lie is retinol thins your skin. Fuck no, you guys, it does not. It is honestly powerhouse, and honestly, we should be using it on our bodies too. But make sure you're using proper retinol body moisturizer. I've seen like videos with like TikTok hacks where people are taking like a moisturizer and then putting their tretinoin in it and then mixing it.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

I'm like, I'm so glad I'm not on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

It's so bad. Okay, so line. The next slide. Another one. You're too young for retinol. Okay, I would like to make a caveat. Let's explain. The drunk elephant thing with like them advertising retinol to young kids and like their packaging. I I'm so against it. I hate it. I hate Sephora. We'll have a whole fucking thing like that too.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

We will. Retinol is not age specific, it is skin specific. So when you are using it, it is to treat something. So, regardless of your age, yes, when you're young, your cells should be turning over every 28 days. They should be healthy and doing what they're supposed to be doing. And as you get older, they get slower. And that's why we start to integrate retinol. Some young people need cell turnover earlier. And so that's why it's up to the provider who is treating you and seeing your skin and what is figuring out what is going on with it. And if it is a cell turnover issue, then you should integrate a retinol.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

With acne clients, right? They're making skin cells so rapidly. Like that's what's happening. And then it's getting clogged and congested into the skin, and that's what's causing the block it to form and then the comodone and then the pustule. So that's when a retinol is actually quite amazing. They need that push. They need that push to help take off the dead skin because it's not coming off as fast as it's being made. So that's where like the imbalance of acneic skin comes from. When we're talking about anti-aging, it's really that that process has slowed down and they're not making the new skin cells every 28 days like we did when we're in our 20s. And then the desmosomes are like decrustation, like the cellular glue that gets matted down. So that way those skin cells are not coming off, like what Gabby was saying. When you have an older, more mature skin, you see that kind of wan look that has no reflective glow to it. It's just because they have not sloughed off their skin. And they're they were making these skin cells, but it's a brick layer of dead skin that has accumulated. So to tell you all how much of a lie, I hope we've like learned this now. It's a complete and utter lie that you are too young for retinol. Because again, skincare is not so black and white, it's not one size fits all. That's the other thing. Like, side note to that, I hate when someone's like, well, my friend used this and it was her.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

I don't even tell clients, like, I really don't like to share my own routine because it doesn't matter in conjunction with what we're doing with you. Everyone's different, and what I use might not be right for you. And my clients are all on different routines. That's kind of why I don't showcase products that much because I don't want someone buying it because I say it's great, unless it's something I feel everyone can benefit from. Like for the most part, a routine should be super customized. Everyone's different.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

And that's what we specialize in is you come to us, we read your skin, we get a gut feeling and we know what's going on with it. And then we put you on the routine that we think is going to be best for your skin. Everybody has their own DNA, everyone has their own blueprint. So again, it's not a one size fits all.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

And talking about talking to a professional and getting your right routine, it's also about getting the proper guidance and having someone retrain your brain to understand what you're doing with your routine. So that goes with your people love to say retinol needs to be spaced out. Let's skin cycle.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Well, let's go into first of all how not using a retinol every single night is doing more damage than good to your skin.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

You are fluctuating like crazy and your skin is going nuts.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

You need to use that retinol every single night. I don't care. There's no acclimation periods. You should be using it every single night. Going every other night or every third night. The receptors are not filled up and they're not receiving that vitamin A that they need in order to do their job.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

You're yo-yoing, and that's where people are like, oh, I can't use retinol. It makes me flaky. So I only do it a couple nights a week. I'm like, that's why you're constantly flaky. If you would just push past the flakiness and continue on, that will go away very, very quickly, and you will be balanced and your cell regulation will be in golden and you won't have to feel that feeling. And then you will be completely used to using retinol.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Use your enzyme. See, there's so many things that we do to counter that like flakiness, but the temporary flakiness. The temporary flakiness. But the thing is that retinol needs to be used every single night because you're missing the point.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

It's like taking a supplement like three times a week. Like what? Like you need to be taking it every day so it builds up in your system and you can get the benefits of it.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

Absolutely. And then let's go into skin cycling. So, okay, the lie was, you guys, that retinol needs to be used starting slowly and working your way up to every night, but it needs to be used every other night or every third night before getting to every night lies. Then let's go into skin cycling because this is like a this hits deep for me. This cuts deep. Because your skin craves consistency. Yes, like how I talk about it when someone comes into the clinic. It's like the gym. With your skin when we're in office, like we need to mix it up a little bit. It's like when you're at the gym and you're lifting weights, like you don't lift the same amount of weights every single time because you're not tearing those muscles and then repairing and then building. Like if you lifted five pounds every single day, you're not gonna build muscle. So like we need to mix it up. So we do microneedling, we do your glycolic, we do extractions, like that. That's where that comes from. But the consistency of coming in is important. The consistency of your skincare routine at night, your skin craves consistency. Like it wants you to just use the same thing morning and that same thing that you do at nighttime. Like when you see my videos that I post on Instagram, literally, I think they're redundant because I'm literally using the same thing every single time when I'm videoing. The skin cycling of like when someone was telling me this, I'm like, I'm too ADD to even remember. So Wednesdays, you do your retinol, on Tuesdays, you do the salicylic, and then Thursdays you sludge your face with Vaseline. Like, what?

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Like, how did that even make sense? And constantly changing your routine really causes people to be inconsistent overall and not stick with just doing a routine, which will damage your skin overall as well. What results are you seeing? You're not gonna see results, you're just gonna have constant irritation or breakouts here and there and like things happening that you don't understand why they're happening. Consistency is so key. I hate changing my routine because I know what works, I know what I need, and it's amazing. But we're constantly having to because it's our job. We have to try new products, but I dread it a lot of the time because, like my face right now, breaking out. Yeah, we tried and trialing a product, and I've been putting it off forever.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

I couldn't because it has a retinol in it. I didn't want to, so it has a retinol in it. So she took one for the team, she tried it, and honestly, you guys.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

I'm breaking out and I'm so sad. It's okay. Well, I'm fixing it, we're fixing it. It'll be gone in a minute, but it's just so frustrating because when I get to go back to my tried and true routine, it just feels so good. I just know I'm gonna look good tomorrow. I know I'm gonna look good the next day, and it's just gonna be consistent, no questions. Like the only time we want to be changing a routine is if we're progressively getting stronger with certain things. It's kind of like when you see a therapist or a psychiatrist and you're changing your medication until you get to your golden moment. Same thing. When we're fluctuating a little in the beginning to adjust you onto stronger retinols because sometimes you need stronger, sometimes you don't. When we're changing little things like that, but then once we get your beautiful golden routine, you're gonna stick with that unless life changes and things like that. Then like hormonal changes, other things happen in your life, pregnancy, things that change like that, moving, all of those things, your atmosphere changes. Then yes, we will tweak your routine again. But typically we won't need to until something like that happens.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

Exactly. So let's kibosh that right now. No skin cycling. Fuck skin cycling. Skin cycling is not okay. Like it's just not, you guys. And also, it's just so confusing. Life is so difficult already. Why do that to yourself? Like, I wouldn't even wash my face, honestly, at that point. I'd be like, I just give up. I don't even know what day I'm on. Totally.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

So let's see. What's the next one? Oh, I love this one. This one I have to really it goes both ways, but I have to beat people for a little while the first couple weeks of acclimation. Oily skin doesn't need a moisturizer.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

I get it. I was that person. Like, I didn't ever put moisturizer on my face because I was so afraid I was gonna break out. Like, I get it. Now that I really get it, like what? No, like your skin is oily because it's not balanced. Literally, like, we are these mad scientists that just ooh, we love solving a problem because it's like, okay, maybe you're dry and then you're oily in the middle of the day at like two, three o'clock. That's like a ding ding ding little like signal to me. I always ask that question. Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

So, but how are you at like when you're getting off work at five o'clock?

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Well, my tea's armed a little oily. Like, oh, but you're actually dry and you need oil because your skin is pumping more oil to overcompensate, and then that's causing your breakouts. You need your skin again, it craves homeostasis, craves consistency, and it craves a moisturizer, you guys. Oily skin does not mean you don't need a moisturizer.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

That water lipid balance is so important to achieve, and it's not easy for every case. Some people, it's super simple, some people it's super complex. Like it just depends on what's going on. And acne can be caused and triggered by many different things, but a big one is that water lipid balance that is triggering acne. And then it's hard because our oily acne-prone clients do not want those heavy creams, and it's not about being heavy, it's about the right balance.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

And so there's so many different formulas. So there's oil-free moisturizers. Gabby has her own that's amazing. That's like the aloe one, right? That you've created. There's amazing moisturizers out there that are for every different type of skin, like skin type, whatever. But your skin needs a moisturizer in order to hold in that moisture so that way you're not excessively oily and you that you're not dry.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

I always tell people that like I'm like, if you're overly secreting oil, your skin is dry and needs that support. And so it's it's trying to help itself by secreting more oil, but it's just making everything worse. And so don't be afraid of moisturizer. You'll be thanking us later because it'll make the biggest difference.

SPEAKER_00 36:06

Because let me tell you guys, we would never sell or put you on anything that's gonna make you break out.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Oh my God. If nobody needs a moisturizer, I'd be so happy to trash all of them and move on. Like it's just another step. I don't have to deal with putting in a routine.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

Totally. Absolutely. So, biggest lie oily skin does not need moisturizer. That's a hell no. Hell no.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

And then also the next one, flaking skin needs heavy creams. And this is the other one I have to battle and swap people down from those creams because they want to pile the creams on and they're making everything so much worse. You're gluing down that skin layer, that flaking skin that you have. That's not dry skin, that's skin that's trying to shed. And it maybe you are dry, so your cell turnover is a little slowed down, but putting heavy creams is not going to help. It's gonna make it so much worse because now they're glued down to the surface and can't come off even more.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

I think when I see somebody flaking, I don't look at it as dryness. Let's get to the root. What's going on? Why are you flaking? There's either an irritation going on, which I've been seeing a lot lately. So it's like we need to help to repair that barrier. And that comes from using the right products, once again, to help strengthen that barrier. I'm not opposed to a thick moisturizer because I do see a lot of uh like more mature clientele. So they are on a thicker moisturizer than most Gabby's clients, I would say. But they're not flaking though. Their skin is just more mature and requires more hydration.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

And that's why seeing a professional is important because they're gonna differentiate which skin types need which moisturizer.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

Like define flaking.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

Yeah, you know, like are you stripping your skin and flaking or are you like built up as all hell and flaking?

SPEAKER_00 37:40

The police choice every single morning at night, thinking that's doing something for you. And then you're like, oh shit, but my T-zone, my like nasal labial folds are like really red and irritating, and my chin is so dry, and I don't want to put moisturizer, but I do want to put a thick moisturizer. I'm gonna put Vaseline on my face, and then I'm breaking out and I don't know why. That's our segue into you guys. I thought it was dead, and Gabby was like, No, no, no, it's still a thing.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Oh, I see it all the time. People are slugging. Yeah, slugging. I need to put Vaseline on my skin to help it. Well, my grandmother used it. Isn't it okay? I say, look, in a pinch, like if you're in some snowy area and you don't have anything else and you're feeling raw or windburned or something, fine. I don't care. Do what you gotta do. But for the most part, on a regular basis, absolutely not. There's something wrong.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

So if you're going to do one, and I do have clients when we're doing like a big peel, like they're flaking and like neck and chest, and that kind of flaking from a peel, I do have the beans of aquapore. Aquaphore. I was gonna say only aquapore, not Vaseline. So that's there's a difference that I think people need to be educated on. Aquaphore has more humectant properties, which helps to hold in moisture and hydrate the skin. Vaseline is a true occlusive, it's a petroleum-based. Honestly, I'm not like anti-petroleum. I think people are just like, I don't know, like it's another marketing thing. Yeah, it's another WG thing. Vaseline is just a true occlusive. And honestly, everyone who I've seen who uses Vaseline have so many melia. Like you are occluding things. You're not allowing any hydration in, you're not allowing anything out. It just, it's not good. Again, you never use Vaseline, basically. That's it. I'm for only. Vaseline is when you're sick.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

But we're never sludging our face, you guys. No slugging. Do not find help, get a consult, have someone assist you, educate you as to why this might be happening with your skin and what you need to do to fix it so you don't need to slug.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Like you wake up thinking I had people like who were doing it and they were like, my skin just like feels so good afterwards. I'm like, it's fake. It's a fake goodness, you know? Like, no, like you're just there's so many other things that if you do.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Yeah, if you really like stuff like that, then I would use like a mask that is meant for overnight usage. Like, there's a brand I have that has an overnight mask that's freaking amazing and it's not gonna break you out and it has benefits to it. Tell us about it. And the Marte Overnight Express Therapy Mask, obsessed. Does not break anyone else. It's lightweight, it's hydrating, it's brightening, it smooths texture with a light micronized retinol that's non-irritating. I also, people that are afraid to start retinol, that's a great one to do a couple nights a week over your moisturizer at night to get a little break in of it, but without any flakiness or acclimation, obsessed. Things like that, or even the hydrochlor mask or little things that are water-based or just lightweight that are meant to be put on over products and worn at night. If you are needing or feeling like you need that push, maybe you were sick, maybe you were on an airplane and your skin's a little bit more dehydrated. Certain things, there's moments of okay, that sounds right, that makes sense, but not always.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

Like, and that's where like sheet masks coming from, or like the CO2 lift mask that I love. So if your skin needs hydration, basically, there's better things for your skin than just putting like a blanket on it, okay? And then again, that is what we do, and that's what we specialize in. So the lie is slugging.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Slugging is good for your skin. Absolutely not. And that actually reminds me of something else I absolutely hate. Hydrogloid patches, pimple patches. This one really upsets me. And I feel like I haven't spoken out about it because people use them and love them, and I see so many issues with them. I see people create burns on their skin from it, get more breakouts from it, just causing more issue when that is not the proper way to take care of your wounds. If you are a picker, that is really the only time that I will give you a pass to use a pimple patch.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

I 100% agree that.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

And and I tell them as long as you change it, if you're acting prone every four hours at the most, you need to be taking it off, letting it air out a little bit, and then putting a new one on. But you should not be leaving that shit on all day, definitely not all night, especially at night. You're secreting oil, you're moving around, there's like, how do you know you didn't trap some other shit under there when you put the pimple patch on? Like, no, no pimple patches unless you are in a dire situation and it's for a temporary use. Like, I just see so many issues here. That is not how you care for a pimple. That is how you care for a wound. And when you're in the hospital or something, and then they're they're coming in and they're sterilizing, cleaning, and doing all the things to use it properly. That is totally different. And this is another thing that's been taken out of context and used improperly to make sales. Do not use pimple patches unless if you're a picker or you're going to an event and you really want to do it, just cover it for an hour or two. Fine.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

It's not a solution.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

It's not a solution. Stop using them.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

They're not pulling out your sack.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

I can't tell you how many times my people have said to me, like, pull it off and then like it's draining the water that your skin needs out of the skin that to heal. Don't do it. Yeah. So that's my little my TED talk right there that made me really angry. Okay, I'm sorry. So, no hydrochloric patches, no pimple patches. But this one we hear all the time as well. And it's very frustrating because it's difficult to get people to want to understand us on this one. I feel like they're very adamant about I don't need SPF. It's in my makeup.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

Oh my God, that's a great lie. That is one of the, I don't know, the biggest ones out there. You guys, someone showed a video and it was amazing that showed how much of your makeup you actually need in order to truly coat your disgusting. It was like half a bottle. Like it was a full tablespoon. It was, it was wild. The amount of SPF that's in your makeup, the ratio, the relation of it is not giving you the proper coverage that you need for your SPF during the day. So if you do want to wear makeup, but I feel like the world of sunscreen has changed so much. And that's one of the reasons why I do really like color science, because that they're branding what they like when I was talking to the rapper a while ago, like there's not SPF in my makeup. It's like, let's flip it. There's makeup in my SPF. It has amazing coverage. Again, there's a sunscreen for everybody. There's like the light one, there's the untinted, there's different tones, like all the things. And some people don't want high coverage, some people don't need it. Some people want coverage that acts like a foundation. When the base is the SPF, that's what's important. Okay. Not your makeup having SPF in it.

SPEAKER_01 43:50

And I always like to tell, like, I try to explain it as your tinted SPF. Think of it as your primer. This is the base that's gonna protect your skin from. The makeup you're gonna put on it from outside oxidative stress and damage, bacteria, other things. It is like a protective layer, seals your products in. So think of it that way. I even will put my SPF on before I do my makeup at night because I feel like it is a protective barrier. And I do feel like it actually helps elongate my makeup for the night, makes everything look better.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

So I'm not a makeup person, and that's my goal for my clients who don't want to wear makeup either, is like to just never need makeup. Because whenever I was trying to put makeup on, I felt like it had hid my glow. Like it made my face look so like uniform and matte that I it made me look dead, honestly. And when I started putting the SPF as my like makeup honestly on nighttime, even though it's crazy because there's no sun out, it looks so much better.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

So much better. And I feel the exact same way. Like I rarely do makeup. When I say I'm doing makeup, it's like a baby cream. But like I don't really like to wear makeup because we work so hard on our skin. And it does have that radiant glow when it's healthy and properly exfoliated and hydrated that makeup takes away from. And I do feel like using the right makeups. And like there's a lot, like color science, there's a lot of brands that have SPF quote unquote makeup that is beautifully glowy and hydrating and balancing to the skin. And it is still not covering up what you have worked so hard on.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

And not pore clogging. That's and not pore clogging.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

That's a whole other thing. And extra added benefits for the skin. So that's the other reason I'm like, put that on first and then put your makeup on because you're gonna be protecting and helping your skin instead of taking away.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

That's gonna help with like healing all the things. Yeah, I agree. We just need to make it get away from that. Makeup in my SPF, so I don't need SPF is a huge lie, you guys. And I feel like that was an early 2000s thing too. So I feel like we need to just like we need to drop that right now. It's 2025, it's not a thing.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

Yeah, like I don't mind like them having a little SPF, and they can say that because a lot of these have minerals which are naturally SPF, but I like it on top. I like it as my extra benefit, extra added boost of coverage, but not as my sole usage for SPF coverage. Like, I just know.

SPEAKER_00 46:03

You need to put sunscreen on.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

You need to.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

And then you need to put makeup on if you want makeup. Okay, so there I had it. We're gonna run through the lines just so that we like you can fast forward, you can hear it all instead of hearing us, brand. So line number one not cleansing in the morning. You need to cleanse at in the morning and you need to cleanse at night. Do you brush your teeth at night only? No. Wash your face morning and night. That's it, people. Okay, number two. Devices at home help me get clean skin. Oh god. LED with the exclusion, but not clean skin. No, not at all. Number three, our vitamin C rant. Vitamin C can only be used in the morning. Absolutely not. Vitamin C AM and PM, you guys, we talked about the importance of what it's doing at night versus the role it plays in the morning. And then vitamin C is your brightening agent. And then it's not just your brightening agent. It does so much more. It's like it's a tertiary benefit, is a brightening agent.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Then what's the other moment? And vitamin C can't be mixed or used with retinol.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Exactly. We need to uh okay. So there we have it for vitamin C's. Our retinol is now going to segue into that. That retinol can't be mixed with your aha and baja acids, which we did an episode on what those are. That's a complete lie. Formulation is so important, and it actually we've seen amazing results when mixed to the skin. And benefits it. Beautiful skin.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

And retinol makes you photosensitive. Absolutely not actually the opposite.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

It protects your skin, you guys. It's actually quite impressive and amazing.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Retinol thins the skin.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

The complete opposite. Also, another false thickens your skin. It's the complete opposite. Then also that you're too young for retinol. Skincare is not black and white. It is not like oh it's not age specific. Not age specific. That's a better way to put it.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

Retinol needs to be spaced out.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

No, you need to use your retinol every single night.

SPEAKER_01 47:51

Consistency.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Consistency is key. Your skin craves consistency. It loves it. Give it what it wants.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

And your skin loves skin cycling. Yes, it really doesn't. Just please don't stop that.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Life is already so complicated. Don't make it that complicated. Make it simple. Make it even if it's a 10-step skincare routine, it's fine. Just do it the same thing every night. Morning and night.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

Oily skin does not need moisturizers.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Oh, so false. Your skin needs a moisturizer. It just depends on what type of moisturizer that is, you guys. And that's again why you go to somebody to help you figure out what is right for your skin. Because the truth is, like my analogy is I'm not a mechanic. My car stops on the side of the road. Am I like opening up the hood to try to tinker around? I know jack shit of what I'm looking at. Okay. Same with your skin. You don't really know that much. Maybe you know more than the average, but we have a whole slew of information and products that we know are gonna be best for your skin. So complete lie that oily skin does not need moisturizer. And flaking skin needs heavier creams, pile it on. No, why are you flaking? Let's figure out like what's the deal with the flaking? And then we can resolve that. And then we get you again on the red moisturizer for your skin. Or let's slug. Oh my god, drop the Vaseline, use it on your baby's bottom. I don't know, but like aquaphore should only be in your house, not Vaseline.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

And hydrochaloid patches, acne, pimple patches are saving me. Absolutely not. They're not healing your acne.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

They're not healing your acne, but they're saving you from fucking up your face.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

And I don't need SPF. It's in my makeup. Oh my God. Not enough coverage. Absolutely do. That sun damage is because you're not wearing enough SPF. Let's stop that.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Exactly. So there you have it, you guys. Let's stop making some poor decisions. Oh my God. And stop listening to the lies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

All right, you guys. We had a very nice podcast today. So much fun. I hope you learned something. I hope you like dropped something.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Like one of the things that you've been doing, if you've been doing it, I hope you either added or stopped.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

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SPEAKER_00 49:53

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SPEAKER_01 50:17

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